Thiln

 

I can't find the precise Daizenshuu entry for zenkais, but if this description is to be assumed correct, near-death power increases, and I paraphrase, "imprint new experiences to lessen the chances of same injury happening again and likewise dramatically increasing their raw might after recovering from injuries." One could infer that the aforementioned experiences of contact with the severity and refinement of strength from the opponent who placed the Saiyan into that near-death state would act as the external impetus which the genetically inspired enhancement of survivalist strength is based on. Far as we know, these rapid upsurges of power only apply to that trauma and not any imperceptible threat at a large distance which the Saiyan hadn't even come into contact with. If that were so, Vegeta's first zenkai on Namek should have accelerated his power level to the state where it was at at the end of the arc. Instead, it was only enough for the damage suffered by Monster Zarbon, the one who first defeated Vegeta, to be mitigated and for him to be overpowered. This pattern seems largely consistent up until Freeza where the zenkais became inordinately large for no reason other than narrative convenience. If the previously mentioned mechanics applied, Goku's zenkai would have only been enough for him to surpass Vegeta while Vegeta would have only surpassed the Ginyu Force sans Ginyu.

The manga doesn't insinuate that Piccolo knew the Multi-Form technique. Strictly going by the original material, it seems as though he dedicated most of the five years to developing the Special Beam Cannon. We also aren't given an exact amount of power progression he enjoyed prior to directly training Gohan. I suspect he acquired much of his benefits from working with Gohan who happened to rival the humans after just four months of actual training.

My grievance lies in the methods which were used by mid-Dragon Ball characters to increase their power by only a comparably tiny amount being reinterpreted to allow for fighters who were excelling in the millions and having worked out in unearthly conditions to continue experiencing an impressive sum of returns. If this revitalised method is usable for Piccolo and Vegeta then I see no reason for it to not be applicable to other characters. Also, Vegeta was confirmed by Bulma to have been leaving for outside the city on his own to train.

Do we have a percentage to put to the amount of power Gohan earned relative to Goku's overall total? I can't recall a quantifiable sum in which SSJB multiplied the user's power or what the disparity was between Mystic Gohan and Goku (post-god ritual) without SSJB. And since we're on the subject of other characters rapidly ascending in power, SSJG Vegetto was already confirmed to have surpassed Beerus in the manga. The anime's rendition is debatable but I wouldn't have any qualms with a confirmation of Vegetto having surpassed Beerus as well. Concerning Gohan - his potential and capacity for rapid growth was already something to behold back at the beginning of Z when his power was stated by Raditz to exceed Goku's, with no training under his belt at the time. He later goes on to surpass everyone at the Cell Games when previously he was classified under the same banner as the humans. Following this, his potential unlock by Elder Kaioshin raises his strength to astronomical heights for an unfused character by raising it hundreds, if not thousands of times over (assuming the SEG's multipliers are in any way applicable). Does Piccolo's short training session with him seem far-fetched? Yes, but I would like to believe Gohan tapped into a reservoir of power that had gone unused as it was expanding following the Buu arc.

I didn't say that the increases were logical, only that they should be applicable to others. If you want a justification for the U6 Saiyans, I suppose you could attribute Cabba's power to being a result from working alongside a "mutant" such as Frost - the U6 counterpart to Freeza.

Daizenshuu 4: Racial Characteristics

 

They power up each time they are revived.
They achieve an unbelievable power up after returning from the brink of death. They can rapidly increase their battle power by coming close to death through mortal combat and intense training. The stronger their opponent, the stronger they become. That is why they are called a warrior race.
http://web.archive.org/web/20111104071121/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=02&id=race#link

Thiln

Jul 18 2017, 10:10 PM

Not sure how much validity there is to the argument, but the difference between SSJB and SSJR is that the latter is derived from the user being considered physiologically deistic, not just in terms of their Ki. Is it possible this status could have granted an additional increase of power relative to what SSJB offers?

superperfectnerd

Jul 18 2017, 09:31 PM

I honestly don't think the writers know the implications they're making.

It wouldn't surprise me if after all this there's an episode where Cabba comes to Earth and has an evenly matched spar with Trunks.

It just seems that they look at the forms and that's it.

If they're in base they're relative, if they're ssj they're relative etc and forget that Goku and Vegeta were only ss1 for aaaaaaages and yet fought stronger and stronger opponents.